Under Armour Combine Wrap-Up: Better Late Than Never
Ok, so I lied when I said I was going to do three posts on the Under Armour Combine. I really meant two. After sifting through all the stats and info I stacked up I thought, more is not always better, especially with Spring Practice under way and how well my last Combine report went over. Let's get right to the good stuff.
The Southridge Boys
I had a nice chat with Southridge head coach Pat Burrows, who was helping run the bench press station. You know a head coach thinks highly of his players when he starts talking them up to you even after you let him in on the secret that you're a blogger and not a scouting company rep.
When I asked what players of his were at the Combine, without hesitation, he named Gerod Holliman and Andrew Johnson:
Coach Burrows told me that he's been talking to UM about Holliman and Johnson, and that Johnson would have been taking a visit on campus last weekend if not for the Combine.
Johnson is a DB (5' 10", 170 lbs, which looked right, because we were about the same size). He told me that he's already been offered by Texas Tech. He ran a 4.55 in the 40 yd dash, had a 31.5 inch vertical, and did 8 reps at 185 pounds. Not the strongest, or the fastest, but he did look good in the 1-on-1 drills. He also told me that USC has been hinting at an offer. But come on, it's Lane Kiffin, don't believe him Andrew.
Holliman was stronger. Listed at 6 ft, 180 (which may be a pretty big stretch) he did 16 reps at 185 pounds, but ran a 4.65. He told me that he did have contact with both Alabama and Florida, but planned on taking a trip to UM soon.
(Just one thing to remember, most of these guys have never done any combine drills before in their life. Almost every one of them I spoke to said they never ran a 40 before and, if they did, it was always hand-timed and not lasered). Both looked good, but if I had to put money on it, I would say neither ends up at UM.
The Fastest Man at the Combine
4.33 - That was what Tacoi Sumler, a 5' 8", 150 pound WR from Christopher Columbus, ran. Right off the top of his head, he told me he already had 13 offers, including Cal, USC, FSU, UF, and UCF. Notice who hasn't offered him yet? The Canes. Want to know why? Size. He's smaller than Santana Moss. What current Cane WRs are that small now? Thereon Collier is 5' 10" but pushes 195 pounds. Either way, Sumler did tell me that Barrow has started to talk to him, but again, I don't think he ends up as a Cane.
The Strongest Man at the Combine
Nile Lawrence Stampler, did 32 reps at 185 pounds. This kid was a veritable unknown coming into the Combine but not after he left. A true 6'1", 299 pounds, he ran a 4.9 in the 40 yd dash. A big, strong, fast defensive tackle. A guy that not a lot of people know about, toiling away at Nova High School (in Davie), this is someone the Hurricanes pride themselves on snatching up, right? Well, it would have been a good idea, because they lost him. Going into the combine he only had offers from FSU and Colorado State. The next day he committed to FSU. Do you know how hard UM recruited? "Not consistently." Exact words. He would have been a great grab but looks like we missed this one.
The Combine Superstar
You take one look at Ryan Shazier and you can tell he is going to be something special. 6'3", 205 this DE (who will end up playing LB in college) from Plantation impressed everyone who watched him. So what did he do? 4.44 in the 40 yard dash, 38 inch vertical, and 11 reps at the bench press. He told me he's been offered by Oklahoma, FSU, UF, and Wisconsin (and he forget to tell me that Spurrier, Tressel, and Charlie Strong have offered him too). Again, guess who hasn't offered him: the Canes. Stoutland is recruiting him, so if you know him, tell him to recruit harder. This is definitely someone that impressed me, which means Randy Shannon should be blown away.
Some of the Rest of the Recruits
Teddy Bridgewater - was uninspired and uninspiring. I guess when you know every team in the nation is recruiting you, you don't have to put up great stats. He did run a few routes as a WR in the 1-on-1 drills, which I thought was interesting. He also told me that in the off-season he plans on working on taking snaps under center (in case you forgot, Miami Northwestern runs the spread).
Eli Rogers - One of the WRs (5'10", 180) that Bridgewater throws to at Miami Northwestern, told me that he was doing the Combine for experience because he never participated in one before.
At the time of the Combine (last Sunday) he didn't have any offers, but was being recruited by UF, the Canes, Alabama, LSU, and FSU. Good news: The Hurricanes offered him the next day. Bad news: he wants to leave Miami. He specifically said he wants to leave the area for college.
Phillip Dorsett - A St. Thomas Aquinas WR (5'10", 170) that put up the second fastest 40 time (4.43) and a 36.5 vert.
Dorsett's being recruited by Stoutland and told me he's met and talked with Whipple. UM hasn't offered him yet, but he said he's expecting one soon. I would be too, especially if UF, Ohio State, and ND already offered me.
Wrapping it up
What I took away from the whole event: there are a ton of great athletes in South Florida. Also, UM needs to start recruiting more consistently. Most of the recruits I talked to said if they were being recruited by UM, they weren't being recruited "consistently" by UM. Of course, UM may not want them, which I guess could be an option, but of the best players there, barely any were being heavily recruited by UM. I don't know what that means, if anything, so do what you will with that information.
In case you want to look at pure numbers, here's the link to the entire Under Armour Combine results.
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this thing about miami not recruiting early & consistently
is the same thing manny is always saying. who knows how much it negatively effects us, if at all, but again, it does seem v counterproductive. but there are a bunch of guys with early offers, so maybe they just know exactly who they want and who they don’t.
i would be bummed if they never offered tacoi tho. i think you take a risk on that speed, regardless of size.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Feb 27, 2010 9:51 PM EST reply actions
The staff has a plan when it comes to recruiting
Ultimately, we’ll see if that plan pans out. But, if they don’t recruit a player hard it’s for specific reasons. Hopefully, it’s for the right ones. If we’re clocking 11-12 wins the next few years we’ll know the answer.
Sounds like it was a good day!
FYI, from this morning’s Herald:
Miami Northwestern quarterback Teddy Bridgewater said he has changed his mind and decided he will play quarterback, not receiver, in college and will strongly consider UM, UF, Alabama, Southern California and others. He said UM’s Randy Shannon and Mark Whipple called him last week and Shannon ``told me three weeks ago that I’m their guy. If I commit, they won’t sign another quarterback.’’ He said he will decide in November.
Re: the not recruiting early and consistently thing:
Honestly, the kids’ comments don’t bother me at all. I would imagine the coaches could practically draw each of their taints from memory and give their mother’s maiden names — and probably have had the ability from when these boys were in 9th grade.
On one hand (does scales of justice thing) we have Randy Shannon on record as saying his whole goal in recruiting is to know the South Florida kids better than anyone else in the country, with the added bonus of three top 20 classes (FWIW) and a visible infusion of talent when his boys recruited under his system, whatever it is, came on board.
On the other: three kids APDB dossn’t think will end up ‘Canes, a kid who measures well but already committed to Florida State, one we offered but who is set on leaving town, and one the size of a high school cheerleader who’s getting calls from our best recruiter anyway. Which of those should we waste more time on? Probably none, except maybe the speed, and I’d also wager a guess our staff was fully aware Stampler wanted to be a ’Nole and so let that one go. Also in the same hand we have Teddy Bridgewater, and another undersized receiver with whom Whipple has met and talked.
I imagine there are others you didn’t mention here that have added to your general impression, but, considering that we don’t know anything about their grades, I can’t get up in arms about it. I mean no doubt there are some gems in there, but I think our staff has done a good enough job to earn the benefit of the doubt over some 17 year old kids who may be being entirely honest, or who may not fully understand recruiting because they only go through it once (what’s “consistent?” Urban Meyer texting daily? once a week? Monthly? I dunno, and does he?), or who have been told to say who knows what by their ‘advisors’ and parents.
Not to discount your impression at all. I’m sure it’s dead on. But does it matter? We seem to be getting who we want, so my guess is, it’s intentional.
by The Great Barstoolio on Feb 28, 2010 9:19 AM EST reply actions
" I would imagine the coaches could practically draw each of their taints from memory"
The visuals. OH THE HUMANITY!!
Also, APDB
you should consider becoming a boudoir photographer. all these boys givin’ us the bedroom eyes.
by The Great Barstoolio on Feb 28, 2010 9:21 AM EST reply actions
Also thanks for writing this up
it was definitely better late than never
(I, for one, was just waitin’ on the meat!)
by The Great Barstoolio on Feb 28, 2010 9:23 AM EST reply actions
I just need to be in a white bubble...
to get them talkative.
Another thing that crossed my mind was that Burrows was practically shoving me to talk to Johnson and Holliman, so obviously he wants them to go to UM, wants Southridge to play a bigger piece in UM recruiting, etc.
The Shazier kid is absolutely ridiculous. The way we have problems keeping linebackers healthy, I’m of the mindset we need to get as many as possible, as long as they are smarter than Arthur Brown.
Yeah, def. a situation needing depth for sure.
I’m cool if we bring in 12 linebackers next year. Hopefully there’s some other good prospects floatin’ about.
But the other thing, and I know they do drills at the combines, is what Shannon was saying about watching them in all games against all types of opponents. A combine tells you a good bit, but only half the story.
by The Great Barstoolio on Feb 28, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I DON'T KNOW WHO TO BELIEVE
in reality i post about my concerns re: recruiting efforts just so that barstoolio is forced to talk me off the ledge
i don’t have a problem with stuff like “we think jeff luc is stiff on tape, and we don’t want to recruit him” (which was reported by barry jackson), but i am concerned about the “lamarcus joyner didn’t grow up a miami fan, so we aren’t going to bother” stuff (which was reported by manny). i guess the problem is that trying to decipher who has offers & who doesn’t is really hard & unreliable — obv best exemplified by the todd chandler situation — but i just can’t shake this nagging feeling that they think the name “university of miami” carries more weight than it does at the moment, and thus they don’t offer as early as other schools do (altho again, there are kids with offers already, so it’s hard to tell).
on the other hand, it’s just as easy to get equally excited about them getting guys like storm j & kevin nelson & travis wiliams & kacy rodgers (& curtis porter & ray ray & on down the line)
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Feb 28, 2010 11:34 PM EST reply actions
Yeah. It might not have the cache it once does
which is why winning solves so many problems.
I don’t think you can discount how much the internet and cable has changed kids’ desire to stay home.
by The Great Barstoolio on Mar 1, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I also think -- as much as I love to follow this shit -- and I do
us paying attention to it at such a minute level doesn’t affect it at all, only gives you more unecessary shit to worry about and make things seem less stable than they are.
Our best classes ever came when you knew nothing at all about recruiting and just saw a list of names in the paper the day after signing day, and no one was the wiser or worse off. I guess that’s why I can’t bring myself to really worry about it from afar when the coaching staff knows shit we could never even dream of (it’s a dirty business) unless it becomes apparent Coker II is happening. I mean, I care, but between two similar players I’m cool with going after the one the staff wants, I guess. I don’t know, I’m on codeine for bronchitis and I can’t feel my brain, so there’s that.
by The Great Barstoolio on Mar 1, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
"only gives you more unecessary shit to worry about"
OUR MORTAL COIL
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Mar 1, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Haha yeah
I think I’m really just responding to the worst of message boarders here don’t listen to me
by The Great Barstoolio on Mar 1, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
btw
does anyone have the practice updates from rivals? my browser cleared my cache & i can’t remember my bootleg log-in & password
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Feb 28, 2010 11:36 PM EST reply actions
yeah
if APDB doesn’t get to it I’ll put ’em up this afternoon when I get out of a meeting.
by The Great Barstoolio on Mar 1, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
No. I hid them.
Because I don’t like you.
by The Great Barstoolio on Mar 1, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
re: bridgewater
from espn’s insider report on the elite 11 camp from sunday
For the second weekend in a row, I got a chance to see Teddy Bridgewater (Miami, Fla./Northwestern) in action. Despite his success on game days, there is a perception that the athletic quarterback might be a better wide receiver prospect at the college level. I’m not one of those who thinks that. I believe Bridgewater can make the transition from high school quarterback to college QB. I will admit he may be an acquired taste at the position as he does not always show great technique or mechanics and possesses a lean build. He has shown, though, that he is a winner and a competitor, and at the Elite 11 he had his best outing in drill work. He can be an accurate passer and consistently displayed that throughout the event. He looked solid in his footwork and not shockingly did well throwing on the move. He has a long list of offers, including Alabama, Florida, Miami and West Virginia, and when approached afterward he did not shoot down the idea of playing wide receiver, but was very confident in his ability at quarterback. The debate about where Bridgewater will fit best in college will likely continue, but he helped his cause as a quarterback prospect with his performance.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Mar 1, 2010 2:05 PM EST reply actions
Nice job
on the blog article APDB. Now that I am off of the Olympic break, I will be blogging full steam – LOL













